CNE Health Conference INVITATION

Het toeval wil dat dit week-eind op het forum van de Radical Academy (een forum dat gaat over klassiek realistische filosofie, geleid door niemand met liberteire tendensen) onder de titel SEX! de volgende vraag werd gesteld:

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Now that I have your attention.
Do you believe the government has an obligation to provide healthcare
to all its citizens? And what is the best way to do this?

WAAROP IK ANTWOORDDE

It all depends on your view of metaphysics.
Do you view metaphysics as the science of being as being, through the ultimate causes of being? Or do you view metaphysics as concerned with the nature and destiny of man?

Let me quote Milton and Rose Friedman in their book “Free to Choose”:
Two major arguments are offered for introducing socialized medicine in the US of A: first, that medical costs are beyond the means of most Americans ; second, that socialization will somehow reduce costs. The second can be dismissed out of hand – at least until someone can find an example of an activity that is conducted more economically by government than by private enterprise. As to the first, the people of the country must pay the costs one way or another; the only question is whether they pay them directly on theor own behalf, or indirectly through the mediation of government bureaucrats who will subtract a substantial size for their own salaries and expenses.. {Milton & Rose Friedman, “Free to Choose”, New York and London: Harcourt Brace Jovsnovich, 1980, p.115;)

If you view metaphysics as concerned with causes, you realise that the present problems are caused by the Welfare State. So then, it’s certainly no option to choose for socialised medicine.

Now if you view metaphysics as concerned with the future, then of course all idealisms are possible.

Here’s a quote from the old Chinese philosopher Mencius (Meng Zi, a contemporary of Plato and Aristotle):.
” 3. ‘When I say that all men have a mind which cannot bear to see the sufferings of others, my meaning may be illustrated thus:– even now-a-days, if men suddenly see a child about to fall into a well, they will without exception experience a feeling of alarm and distress. They will feel so, not as a ground on which they may gain the favour of the child’s parents, nor as a ground on which they may seek the praise of their neighbours and friends, nor from a dislike to the reputation of having been unmoved by such a thing.” (Mencius, Book II, Ch 1 pt 6 – The book of Mencius is one of the Four Books which have been the Bible of the Chinese people, though there is no mention here of creation or of heaven and hell.)
If this is altruism, then I’m an altruist also.
If this is not altruism, then socialism makes this impossible and socialism should be prevented at all costs, except if A is not A and there is no metaphysics and the nature of man can be moulded in any way you want.

VANMORGEN VIND IK DIT ANTWOORD

I don’t know if introducing the ideal of socialism is really helpful
to understanding health care service distribution problems. Let’s
not use linguistic conventions with the intent of shelving any
factual discussion of the issues.

Of course public health care is more expensive because it is
universal rather than selective as is the case with private care.

To say that the government should be involved in providing some basic
health services is not socialism. Thousand s work at various
government organizations such as "The Center for Disease
Control". They provide health services in cases of epidemics
etc. No one calls this socialism. I don’t think Rush Limbaugh
would oppose this sort of thing.

Especially where children are concerned, vaccines, vitamins,
antibiotic treatments, and other basic health services should be
provided at public expense.

The argument is simple. Rudimentary medical care at a young age can
prevent a myriad of problems later in life.

Even private health care, as efficient as it might be cannot compete
cost wish with a system that reduces the total number of cases to be
treated.
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Meneer Socrates komt nou niet echt (lees: echt niet) met sterke argumenten. Altijd wel leuk om dat een beetje in te peperen. Ik zal vanavond ‘s kijken of ik tijd en "goesting" heb

Waar is mijn tomahawk gebleven?

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Good evening,
Humankind through out the ages has provided Healthcare for it’s particular communitys at large.

Government run Healthcare could work, IF the people had more control over it! But sadly, they do not. And Government is not "obliged" to necessitate to us!
As one culture in a World of many, the Native Americans of the past knew just how important a healthcare system, as part of the overall clan structure was.
Without it, you stood the chance of;
Loosing Knowledge (Elder care)
Not perpetuating the Race (Child care)
Loss of Productivity (Worker care)
To make Healthcare work, you must first remove the $ sign from it.
Deerhawk