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CNE Health Conference INVITATION

Op 7 oktober a.s. organiseert CNE in Brussel een gezondheidsconferentie.
Deelnemers zijn de gast van CNE, maar het aantal beschikbare plaatsen is beperkt.

Als u dus aan deze conferentie wilt/kunt deelnemen, reageer dan snel.

Invitation to CNE Health Conference
The Politics of Healthy Ageing and European Public Opinion
Thursday 7th October 2004
Le Meridien Hotel Brussels, Carrefour De l’Europe, 3 1000 Brussels
9: 30 Hrs to 15 :00Hrs
The speakers at this conference will include an outstanding array of international health policy experts who will publicly share their cutting edge research on the future of European healthcare.

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09:30 Registration and Coffee
09:55 Introduction and Welcome
Stephen Pollard – Senior Fellow, Centre for the New Europe
Moderator Bart Crols – Reuters

10:00 Key Note Speaker
Healthy Ageing and European Public Opinion
Robert Perkins – President, Consensus Research Group

10:30 Q & A Session

10:45 Panel Discussion
Karen Horn – Economics Editor, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
Alberto Mingardi – Director, Instituto Bruno Leoni
Anthony Browne – Brussels Correspondent, The Times

11:15 Coffee

11:45 Healthcare and the future of European Prosperity
Christofer Fjellner – Swedish MEP

12:05 Q & A Session

12:15 European Healthcare Reform: What Role for Markets?
Ben Irvine – Director of Health Projects, International Policy Network

12:35 Q & A Session

12:45 Panel Discussion
Jorgo Chatzimarkakis – German MEP
Johan Hjertqvist – Director, Health Policy Unit, Timbro
Casba Ivan – Health Economist, Economic Advisor to Alliance of Free Democrats, Hungary

13:30 Lunch with Speaker
Healthcare and wider European Economics
Jonathan Evans MEP – Leader of the British Conservatives in the European Parliament
15:00 Close of Conference

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  1. Ivo schreef op : 1

    Het toeval wil dat dit week-eind op het forum van de Radical Academy (een forum dat gaat over klassiek realistische filosofie, geleid door niemand met liberteire tendensen) onder de titel SEX! de volgende vraag werd gesteld:…

    Now that I have your attention.
    Do you believe the government has an obligation to provide healthcare
    to all its citizens? And what is the best way to do this?


    It all depends on your view of metaphysics.
    Do you view metaphysics as the science of being as being, through the ultimate causes of being? Or do you view metaphysics as concerned with the nature and destiny of man?

    Let me quote Milton and Rose Friedman in their book “Free to Choose”:
    Two major arguments are offered for introducing socialized medicine in the US of A: first, that medical costs are beyond the means of most Americans ; second, that socialization will somehow reduce costs. The second can be dismissed out of hand – at least until someone can find an example of an activity that is conducted more economically by government than by private enterprise. As to the first, the people of the country must pay the costs one way or another; the only question is whether they pay them directly on theor own behalf, or indirectly through the mediation of government bureaucrats who will subtract a substantial size for their own salaries and expenses.. {Milton & Rose Friedman, “Free to Choose”, New York and London: Harcourt Brace Jovsnovich, 1980, p.115;)

    If you view metaphysics as concerned with causes, you realise that the present problems are caused by the Welfare State. So then, it’s certainly no option to choose for socialised medicine.

    Now if you view metaphysics as concerned with the future, then of course all idealisms are possible.

    Here’s a quote from the old Chinese philosopher Mencius (Meng Zi, a contemporary of Plato and Aristotle):.
    ” 3. ‘When I say that all men have a mind which cannot bear to see the sufferings of others, my meaning may be illustrated thus:– even now-a-days, if men suddenly see a child about to fall into a well, they will without exception experience a feeling of alarm and distress. They will feel so, not as a ground on which they may gain the favour of the child’s parents, nor as a ground on which they may seek the praise of their neighbours and friends, nor from a dislike to the reputation of having been unmoved by such a thing.” (Mencius, Book II, Ch 1 pt 6 – The book of Mencius is one of the Four Books which have been the Bible of the Chinese people, though there is no mention here of creation or of heaven and hell.)
    If this is altruism, then I’m an altruist also.
    If this is not altruism, then socialism makes this impossible and socialism should be prevented at all costs, except if A is not A and there is no metaphysics and the nature of man can be moulded in any way you want.


    I don’t know if introducing the ideal of socialism is really helpful
    to understanding health care service distribution problems. Let’s
    not use linguistic conventions with the intent of shelving any
    factual discussion of the issues.

    Of course public health care is more expensive because it is
    universal rather than selective as is the case with private care.

    To say that the government should be involved in providing some basic
    health services is not socialism. Thousand s work at various
    government organizations such as "The Center for Disease
    Control". They provide health services in cases of epidemics
    etc. No one calls this socialism. I don’t think Rush Limbaugh
    would oppose this sort of thing.

    Especially where children are concerned, vaccines, vitamins,
    antibiotic treatments, and other basic health services should be
    provided at public expense.

    The argument is simple. Rudimentary medical care at a young age can
    prevent a myriad of problems later in life.

    Even private health care, as efficient as it might be cannot compete
    cost wish with a system that reduces the total number of cases to be

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  2. martin schreef op : 2


    Meneer Socrates komt nou niet echt (lees: echt niet) met sterke argumenten. Altijd wel leuk om dat een beetje in te peperen. Ik zal vanavond ’s kijken of ik tijd en "goesting" heb 🙂

  3. Ivo schreef op : 3

    Waar is mijn tomahawk gebleven?…
    Good evening,
    Humankind through out the ages has provided Healthcare for it’s particular communitys at large.

    Government run Healthcare could work, IF the people had more control over it! But sadly, they do not. And Government is not "obliged" to necessitate to us!
    As one culture in a World of many, the Native Americans of the past knew just how important a healthcare system, as part of the overall clan structure was.
    Without it, you stood the chance of;
    Loosing Knowledge (Elder care)
    Not perpetuating the Race (Child care)
    Loss of Productivity (Worker care)
    To make Healthcare work, you must first remove the $ sign from it.