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		<title>Door: Cincinnatus.</title>
		<link>http://www.vrijspreker.nl/wp/2005/08/eu-hulp-voor-katrina-drama/comment-page-1/#comment-8495</link>
		<dc:creator>Cincinnatus.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ik zie eigenlijk niet in waarom Europese belastingbetalers moeten dokken voor de watersnood-problemen in de USA te meer daar de US-regering wel &lt;br /&gt;geld zat schijnt te hebben (weliswaar onder dwang gestolen van de inwoners ginds)om aan de andere kant van de globe een kostelijke oorlog op te zetten&lt;br /&gt;en al helemaal zie ik niet in met welk &lt;br /&gt;recht Europese regeringen hiervoor hun &lt;br /&gt;burgers onder dwang (want dat is belastingsheffing per definitie) geld&lt;br /&gt;mogen wegnemen van hun burgers om het &lt;br /&gt;aan anderen te schenken....het blijft hoe dan ook diefstal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Overigens zijn ook al die &quot;Foreign Aid&quot; &lt;br /&gt;programma&#039;s van de US-regering illegaal en immoreel : het is (in het beste geval) Sinterklaas spelen met andermans geld.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In dit verband ook de mooie toespraak van de legendarische westman &lt;br /&gt;David Crockett &quot;Not yours to give&quot; waarin hij aantoont dat alhoewel de doelen nobel kunnen zijn het regeringen &lt;br /&gt;niet toekomt andermans geld daartoe te &lt;br /&gt;confisqueren : &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/greatmen/crockett/crocket2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pointsouth.com/c...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Uiteraard alle lof voor particuliere hulp zoals LIFHAS e.a.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Groetz, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cincinnatus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ik zie eigenlijk niet in waarom Europese belastingbetalers moeten dokken voor de watersnood-problemen in de USA te meer daar de US-regering wel <br />geld zat schijnt te hebben (weliswaar onder dwang gestolen van de inwoners ginds)om aan de andere kant van de globe een kostelijke oorlog op te zetten<br />en al helemaal zie ik niet in met welk <br />recht Europese regeringen hiervoor hun <br />burgers onder dwang (want dat is belastingsheffing per definitie) geld<br />mogen wegnemen van hun burgers om het <br />aan anderen te schenken&#8230;.het blijft hoe dan ook diefstal.</p>
<p>Overigens zijn ook al die &quot;Foreign Aid&quot; <br />programma&#8217;s van de US-regering illegaal en immoreel : het is (in het beste geval) Sinterklaas spelen met andermans geld.</p>
<p>In dit verband ook de mooie toespraak van de legendarische westman <br />David Crockett &quot;Not yours to give&quot; waarin hij aantoont dat alhoewel de doelen nobel kunnen zijn het regeringen <br />niet toekomt andermans geld daartoe te <br />confisqueren : <a href="http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/greatmen/crockett/crocket2.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.pointsouth.com/c" rel="nofollow">www.pointsouth.com</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>Uiteraard alle lof voor particuliere hulp zoals LIFHAS e.a.</p>
<p>Groetz, </p>
<p>Cincinnatus.</p>
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		<title>Door: Ivo Cerckel</title>
		<link>http://www.vrijspreker.nl/wp/2005/08/eu-hulp-voor-katrina-drama/comment-page-1/#comment-8483</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivo Cerckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usagold.com/business/cpm/cpmforum/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.usagold.com/busi...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Invisible Hand (09/01/05; 11:15:18MT - usagold.com msg#: 135503)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why no international relief effort&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With my advance apologies if this is considered to be black humour.&lt;br /&gt;But why is it that there is no international relief effort from Katrina like there was from the Asian tsunami?&lt;br /&gt;Is that because, it has to paid in dollars? Why should it have to be paid in dollars? If the &#8220;relievers&#8221; send it from home, they pay in their home monkey currency&lt;br /&gt;Goldilox (09/01/05; 11:39:27MT - usagold.com msg#: 135504)&lt;br /&gt;International Relief Effort&lt;br /&gt;@ TIH,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also not trying to belittle the grave situation, the &quot;International relief effort&quot; is Us! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our citizen militias are so busy &quot;guarding&quot; the Iraqi outpost and 730 other foreign corporate bases, they are just too stretched to provide massive assistance needed at home. If civil unrest ensues from this tragedy, the &quot;aid&quot; will come in the form of martal law and FEMA &quot;labor camps&quot; for the displaced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Watching the turmoil unfolding in Houston as they stretch their own limited resouces in assistance, added iquidity alone won&#039;t solve much in the short term. The real needs are housing and food in the short term and reconstruction and job stability in the long run. REAL THINGS, not more paper!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving an entire city population out of NO is in itself a Herculean task, but the cleanup and rebuilding is even more gargantuan. We may need CCC and WPA type efforts to accomplish the tasks ahead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some new thought will no doubt surface about the amount of steel, concrete, and other building materials flying overseas. Will there be real efforts to contain some of them here, or will the battle for resouces just continue to ramp up in a &quot;goods flow where the profits are best&quot; scenario? Using overseas profits to fund the US treasury just became a LOT more risky, as the question for Foreign capital will be &quot;use the dollars to buy materials or further fund US borrowing?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TS has hit the proverbial fan - BIG TIME.&lt;br /&gt;otish mountain (09/01/05; 12:19:04MT - usagold.com msg#: 135505)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;T.I.H. re foreign aid&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-12446.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.allamericanpatri...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;QUESTION: Have the foreign governments that you can tell us about come forward, possibly with condolences, possibly with offers of assistance in the hurricane aftermath?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;MR. MCCORMACK: We have had a number of offers of government assistance to aid in the search as well as reconstruction efforts. These are general offers of assistance at this point. I don&#039;t have a complete list here, Barry, so I don&#039;t want to start naming off countries and leave somebody off because these offers of assistance are starting to come in. We appreciate each and every one of them, and we are going to work in the coming days and weeks with foreign governments to see how we can best channel these offers of assistance with relation to what the needs are that are out there.&lt;br /&gt;melda laure (9/1/05; 17:53:02MT - usagold.com msg#: 135514)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;substance trumps credit&lt;br /&gt;Invisible hand.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be meaningless to have international aid if it were paid in dollars:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;THE REST OF WORLD ALREADY loans us OVER 3 BILLION a day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Amusing isn&#039;t it. A month&#039;s current account deficit would &quot;pay&quot; for the clean up. The immediate need is for real things, no? Fortunately the Red cross will take plastic. Did we all use REAL money a mess like this would cause a recession!]]></description>
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<p>The Invisible Hand (09/01/05; 11:15:18MT &#8211; <a href="http://usagold.com" class="autohyperlink" title="http://usagold.com" target="_blank">usagold.com</a> msg#: 135503)</p>
<p>Why no international relief effort</p>
<p>With my advance apologies if this is considered to be black humour.<br />But why is it that there is no international relief effort from Katrina like there was from the Asian tsunami?<br />Is that because, it has to paid in dollars? Why should it have to be paid in dollars? If the &amp;#8220;relievers&amp;#8221; send it from home, they pay in their home monkey currency<br />Goldilox (09/01/05; 11:39:27MT &#8211; <a href="http://usagold.com" class="autohyperlink" title="http://usagold.com" target="_blank">usagold.com</a> msg#: 135504)<br />International Relief Effort<br />@ TIH,</p>
<p>Also not trying to belittle the grave situation, the &quot;International relief effort&quot; is Us! </p>
<p>Our citizen militias are so busy &quot;guarding&quot; the Iraqi outpost and 730 other foreign corporate bases, they are just too stretched to provide massive assistance needed at home. If civil unrest ensues from this tragedy, the &quot;aid&quot; will come in the form of martal law and FEMA &quot;labor camps&quot; for the displaced.</p>
<p>Watching the turmoil unfolding in Houston as they stretch their own limited resouces in assistance, added iquidity alone won&#8217;t solve much in the short term. The real needs are housing and food in the short term and reconstruction and job stability in the long run. REAL THINGS, not more paper!</p>
<p>Moving an entire city population out of NO is in itself a Herculean task, but the cleanup and rebuilding is even more gargantuan. We may need CCC and WPA type efforts to accomplish the tasks ahead.</p>
<p>Some new thought will no doubt surface about the amount of steel, concrete, and other building materials flying overseas. Will there be real efforts to contain some of them here, or will the battle for resouces just continue to ramp up in a &quot;goods flow where the profits are best&quot; scenario? Using overseas profits to fund the US treasury just became a LOT more risky, as the question for Foreign capital will be &quot;use the dollars to buy materials or further fund US borrowing?&quot;</p>
<p>TS has hit the proverbial fan &#8211; BIG TIME.<br />otish mountain (09/01/05; 12:19:04MT &#8211; <a href="http://usagold.com" class="autohyperlink" title="http://usagold.com" target="_blank">usagold.com</a> msg#: 135505)</p>
<p>T.I.H. re foreign aid</p>
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<p>QUESTION: Have the foreign governments that you can tell us about come forward, possibly with condolences, possibly with offers of assistance in the hurricane aftermath?</p>
<p>MR. MCCORMACK: We have had a number of offers of government assistance to aid in the search as well as reconstruction efforts. These are general offers of assistance at this point. I don&#8217;t have a complete list here, Barry, so I don&#8217;t want to start naming off countries and leave somebody off because these offers of assistance are starting to come in. We appreciate each and every one of them, and we are going to work in the coming days and weeks with foreign governments to see how we can best channel these offers of assistance with relation to what the needs are that are out there.<br />melda laure (9/1/05; 17:53:02MT &#8211; <a href="http://usagold.com" class="autohyperlink" title="http://usagold.com" target="_blank">usagold.com</a> msg#: 135514)</p>
<p>substance trumps credit<br />Invisible hand.</p>
<p>It would be meaningless to have international aid if it were paid in dollars:</p>
<p>THE REST OF WORLD ALREADY loans us OVER 3 BILLION a day.</p>
<p>Amusing isn&#8217;t it. A month&#8217;s current account deficit would &quot;pay&quot; for the clean up. The immediate need is for real things, no? Fortunately the Red cross will take plastic. Did we all use REAL money a mess like this would cause a recession!</p>
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		<title>Door: Arend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Het verschil is dat Katrina de toorn is van de Kyoto god en de tsunamie in TsunamiÃƒÂ« alleen maar zwakke minderwaardige slachtoffers heeft gemaakt (in de ogen van de socialisten hebben de slachtoffers aldaar een soort band met hen), mensen die al zoveel te duchten hadden onder de globalisering en het kapitalisme. De bewijslast vertelt ons dat hier God of Allah achter zat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Het echte verschil is dat de Kyoto god ook nog eens rechtvaardig is, en God en Allah niet, aldus de socialisten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Het verschil is dat Katrina de toorn is van de Kyoto god en de tsunamie in TsunamiÃƒÂ« alleen maar zwakke minderwaardige slachtoffers heeft gemaakt (in de ogen van de socialisten hebben de slachtoffers aldaar een soort band met hen), mensen die al zoveel te duchten hadden onder de globalisering en het kapitalisme. De bewijslast vertelt ons dat hier God of Allah achter zat.</p>
<p>Het echte verschil is dat de Kyoto god ook nog eens rechtvaardig is, en God en Allah niet, aldus de socialisten.</p>
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		<title>Door: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Er dient hier opnieuw sterk onderscheid gemaakt te worden tussen particuliere en publieke hulpacties.&lt;br /&gt;Vanuit collectivistisch perspectief had de EU al lang hulp kunnen aanbieden. Maar vanuit libertarisch perspectief was dat niet direct nodig. Particuliere hulp kan m.i. uitstekend verstrekt worden door LIFHAS en nationale Rode Kruis organisaties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er dient hier opnieuw sterk onderscheid gemaakt te worden tussen particuliere en publieke hulpacties.<br />Vanuit collectivistisch perspectief had de EU al lang hulp kunnen aanbieden. Maar vanuit libertarisch perspectief was dat niet direct nodig. Particuliere hulp kan m.i. uitstekend verstrekt worden door LIFHAS en nationale Rode Kruis organisaties.</p>
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		<title>Door: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hulp komt meer van bedrijven, zoals t-mobile usa&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1854453,00.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.eweek.com/articl...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Omdat die verder kijken dan hun neus lang is.... De eu had hier inderdaad een mooi gebaar kunnen maken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hulp komt meer van bedrijven, zoals t-mobile usa<br /><a href="http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1854453,00.asp" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.eweek.com/articl" rel="nofollow">www.eweek.com</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>Omdat die verder kijken dan hun neus lang is&#8230;. De eu had hier inderdaad een mooi gebaar kunnen maken.</p>
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