zondag, 5 maart 2006
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Al Jazeera debate that you will want to see

Jim Peron stuurt ons dit bijzondere bericht van Al Jazeera.

Als je geïnteresseerd bent in the “Clash of Civilizations” is het de moeite waard om een paar minuten naar deze bijzondere vrouw te luisteren.

Jim Peron:

I have just watched the following from Al Jazeera.
You must take a couple of minutes to watch this woman.
She is very brave and, if the translation into English is correct, she is very eloquent. This sort of defense of the right of people to believe what they want and for a secular society needs to be heard in the Islamic world and in the US as well (the last two outposts of fundamentalism). You will applaud her.

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  1. Anne Hilverda schreef op : 1

    In een woord: geweldig ! Dit is een reactie op Hub. Anne

  2. Mike Madison schreef op : 2

    Unbelievable!! Zeer jammer dat je maar 1 keer Karma punten kan geven….

  3. Krijn schreef op : 3
    Krijn

    Hatsikidee! Die dame is heel goed bezig.

  4. jetze schreef op : 4

    Hub,

    Hier kun je een verzoek indienen om het filmpje te downloaden.

    memritv.org

    Goed filmpje, had hem al gezien.

    Jetze

  5. Sander schreef op : 5

    ‘Al Jazeera debate that you will want to see’: Die titel bracht me op een Nationaal idee van gelijke klasse!

    Hoe er bij de volgende 2e kamerverkiezingen wat beter ‘geprofileerd’ kan worden. Hoe we een debat zouden kunnen vormgeven welke elke poster overbodig zou maken. Een debat dat ook nog eens wereldwijd zou worden uitgezonden onder de titlel: "De Grote Vernieuwing". En waarom grote vernieuwing? Omdat elke debater de waarheid zou spreken. En hoe gaan we dat doen?

    De woordvoerders van PvdA, CDA, VVD, kortom het hele circus, zullen tevoren een flinke dosis alcohol gaan nuttigen totdat zij een grens van tenminste 1 promille hebben overstegen. "Dronken mensen en kinderen spreken de waarheid". DAT WORDT EEN UITZENDING!!! "Sponsored by Heineken & Bavaria in copodruction with Johny Walker Worldwide Political Health services!!!
    WHOEAAA!!!!!!!!!

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  6. Vlad Tepes schreef op : 6

    I love this woman.

    kijk, zulke mensen kunnen er niet genoeg naar NL komen.

  7. Lodderzat schreef op : 7

    Fantastisch! jammer alleen dat er niet meer aandacht is voor dit soort mensen en bovenal hetgeen zij zeggen.

    ps: wie is deze vrouw eigenlijk?

  8. Huub Mooren schreef op : 8

    [7] Psychologe in Los Angeles.
    Geboren in Syrie.

    Lees hier wat haar tegenspreker te melden had in de dialoog (want dat was het):
    www.floppingaces.net…
    Leerzaam…

    Huub

  9. Lodderzat schreef op : 9

    [8] Tnx

  10. John M Nivard schreef op : 10

    Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan: There Is No Clash of Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages and That of the 21st Century

    Following are excerpts from an interview with Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan. The interview was aired on Al-Jazeera TV on February 21, 2006

    .
    Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.

    […]

    Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?

    Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.

    […]

    Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to discuss this issue, if you don’t mind…

    Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to start this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.

    My colleague has said that he never offends other people’s beliefs. What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs, or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah’s wrath." Who told you that they are "People of the Book"? They are not the People of the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them "those who incur Allah’s wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?

    I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others’ right to believe in it.

    Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: Are you a heretic?

    Wafa Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural…

    Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran…

    Wafa Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you.

    […]

    Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don’t throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people’s beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.

    […]

    Wafa Sultan: The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.

  11. dutchess schreef op : 11

    Hoe blij ik ook ben dat deze mevrouw dit zegt allemaal, ik ben bang dat het alleen maar een reden is om maar lekker oorlog te blijven voeren…

    Ik durf hier eigenlijk niets op te zeggen, want ik denk dat het toch niets uitmaakt.
    Ze zegt wat wij denken en???? Gooien we er nog een bom op, kunnen we nu Iran aanvallen, want dat zijn ook Muslims?

  12. Vlad Tepes schreef op : 12

    [11]

    ik wist niet dat moslims een reden nodig hadden om oorlog te voeren.

  13. Hub (auteur van dit artikel) schreef op : 13
    Hub Jongen

    [11] [12] Inderdaad.
    Iemand heeft het veel mooier gezegd, maar het kwam neer op:’Het enige dat nodig is om de boel naar de gossiemeine te laten gaan, is dat goede mensen niets doen!"

  14. Bud. schreef op : 14

    Ik hoop dat ze nog leeft.

    Libertarisch is ze echter niet denk ik, hoewel ze de mond vol heeft van vrijheid.
    Ze is een soort moslim-dolle-mina. Feminisme, sociaal-democratie en mensenrechten is wat ik door haar moedige betoog hoor. En secularisme als geloof, niet als politiek principe.
    Waar ze wel een rol in kan spelen is de moderering en modernisering van de Islam zoals we die hopen te zien te krijgen doorheen de 21ste eeuw. Hoewel een libertariër zich de vraag kan stellen waarom de Islam nou gemodereerder en moderner zou moeten worden. Als ze dat zelf willen, nou goed, maar als ze het vervangen door seculier-socialisme zullen ze (en de rest van de wereld) nog geen stap verder zijn.

  15. peterk schreef op : 15
    PeterK

    Die vrouw is dapper. Maar ik denk niet dat zij de belangrijkste les is die wij uit het filmpje kunnen trekken.
    Dat is de reactie van die mannen, vooral die vent met die baard, en het feit dat Al Jazeera het filmpje heeft durven uitzenden. Wat er ook gezegd wordt, er wordt, heel duidelijk zichtbaar, niet ingegaan op de inhoudelijke kant. Dat gegeven en het feit dat men blijkbaar niet bang is dat de kijkers de idioterie ook kunnen onderkennen, zal ons duidelijk moeten maken met wat voor soort samenleving wij hier te maken hebben. Ik vrees dat er waarschijnlijk geen verbetering te verwachten is, voor een hele lange periode, in de landen in het Midden-Oosten.

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