De Islam is een streng geloof
De hoogste Iranese politieke en kerkelijke leider Khameini heeft op zijn website vragen beantwoord over wat wel en niet mag gedurende de ramadan.
Om een idee te geven hoe ver de islam af staat van veel westerse gewoontes, hierbij een (onvertaald) artikel geplukt van Drudge Report. Het doet overigens denken aan de situatie van de katholieke kerk in Nederland 80 tot 100 jaar geleden.
Khameini: Don’t masturbate during Ramadan
Iran’s supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and other topics on his website Yaakov Lappin Published: 10.04.06, 19:55
Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled.
Khameini, who is Iran’s most powerful political and religious figure, was asked on his website : “If somebody masturbates during the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting invalidated?”
“If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and nothing is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a ḥarām (forbidden) act. But, if he intends masturbation or he knows that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen really comes out, it is a ḥaram intentional breaking fasting,” the Iranian leader said, posting the reply on his website.
Another reader asked: “Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I forgot to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my mouth. I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the qaḍa (repent) for that day’s fast?”
“If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you are not liable to make (repent) of the fast,” said Khameini.
‘Drink water while standing’
On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys are permitted to gamble on horse races.
He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a woman only in order to be able to live in his wife’s country. “Can a man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her country?” A reader asked.
“There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting marriage and it is done with her father’s permission if she is virgin,” Khameini ruled.
The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to “to drink water while standing” at nights. It was “not permissible” to take part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another reader.
“In Islam’s view, rulers and governments exist just to serve people and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is what God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill,” Khamenei was quoted Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Topic: Cultuur? Volgens mij moet dat ‘humor’ zijn, Hub.
strange stuff, but I imagine that the Christians had similar rarities a couple of decades ago (as you said in the opening paragraph).
Anyways, what is the point of publishing this? As to my opinion it is selective and intentionally directed at those with already a biased view on both Islam and it followers (i.e. it creates a incomplete picture and enhances misunderstandings).
I am sure something similar could be said for our Western culture… (as they actually already do in China).
Please clarify the reason for publishing.
S.D.
Ps. Sorry I think my written English is better than my written Dutch. That does not mean that I try to undermine your language, culture or nation. Moreover, I do not love in Holland. I learned my limited Dutch from the few months I was there.
Waar die tollies zich mee bezig houden zeg… 😕
Amai, de komende 4 jaar worden er in Nederland bijna 70 nieuwe moskeeen gebouwd of fors uitgebreid. Binnenkort zijn er zeker 450 officiele moskeeen, waarvan 115 in 4 grote steden.
[4] Het financier en bouwen van moskeeen overeenkomstig vrije markt principes is niets bijzonders.
hugo van reijen
[2] The problem is that those detals are not essential parts of the Christian belief (and, as a matter if fact, are not found in the Bible), while those Sunni and Shi’a tidbits are.
Other examples include: Muslims must clean their private parts with an odd number of stones, eating dates cures witchcraft, killing a gecko yields 70 blessings and more.
Islam, the rational religion. ROFL
De islam is geen religie, maar een doctrine die iemands gehele leven bepaalt. De Hadith schrijft voor hoe de profeet heeft geleefd en iedereen die een vrome moslim is wordt geacht om in zijn voetsporen treden. Daarom werden het ook vaak Mohammedanen genoemd, omdat zij niet god volgde, maar Mohammed. Behalve christenen en joden, die de islam hooguit gedoogt als tweederangsburgers, accepteert men daarentegen geen andere cultuur of religie. Boedhisten, Hindoe’s en animisten kunnen dus vervolgd en straffeloos gedood worden. Niet alleen in de Hadith wordt dit benadrukt, maar zelfs in de koran. Vrijheid van meningsuiting bestaat niet, dus ook geen vrijheid om kritiek te uiten, vandaar deze dwaze ‘fatwa’s’ die je van deze totalitaire dictators kan verwachten. Ik zie daarom niet in hoe dit een ‘verrijking’ van de westerse cultuur kan zijn, zoals sommigen in onze politieke partijen beweren.
[2] Why should someone clarify the reason for publishing something absurd as it happens? That’s beyond me and smacks of censorship. Perhaps you, Social Drama, want censorship but most of us, especially libertarians, don’t. I admit there is a critical note in the article, however that’s called freedom of expression. After all, this website is called De Vrijspreker, and doesn’t budge or evade any issues. Because of our open discussion and exchange of views we can come closer to the truth. This is what enlightenment means, the freedom to enquire, probe, criticise and ultimately expose untruths. This should have been self evident and sufficient clarification I’d think.
[5] Vrije markt is prima. Echter de meeste moskees worden of met Nederlandse subsidies gebouwd of vanuit islamitische landen met overheidssubsidies gebouwd. Weinig tot geen vrije markt in deze.
@Barbara: je loopt ietsje achter, meissie! Er zijn inmiddels meer dan 460 mosKETEN in dit land.
http://www.rivm.nl/vtv/obje…
Die site loopt ook achter, helaas.
En dan is er nog de moskeedatabase…
http://www.united-dutch-all…
Ziezo, je bent weer helemaal op de hoogte.
Groeten, M
Ik dacht dat Moslims helemaal niet mochten masturberen? Volgens sommige interpretaties van het verhaal van Onan in het Oude Testament mogen Christenen en Joden dat overigens ook (nooit) niet. Ik vind het ook wel komisch dat Sji’itische Islam toestaat dat iemand voor een jaar (of zelfs maar 5 minuten) kan trouwen.
Het is ergens wel grappig, ware het niet dat het geen satire is in Iran, zoals het hier kan worden gezien, maar bittere ernst met nogal nare gevolgen voor de personen die dat soort absurde regeltjes niet opvolgen. Ik heb nog steeds de bittere nasmaak van een documentaire op de BBC (en later op België) waarin getoond werd hoe één of andere imam\rechter een 16-jarig meisje liet ophangen, zelfs tegen de regels van de Islamitische Republiek Iran, vanwege "onzedig gedrag". Het schijnt dat ze een schoen naar z’n kop heeft gegooid gedurende het proces toen ze doorhad welke richting het inging. Misschien dat men later nog wel de kans krijgt om hem en z’n collega’s te lynchen. Ik had echter wel enigszins de indruk dat dit soort documentaires worden uitgezonden om het publiek alvast te "masseren" voor een eventueel gewapend conflict. Destijds kon je ook zo’n onsmakelijk documentaire over Taliban-Afghanistan zien, niet lang voordat dat land werd "bevrijd".
Overigens hoor ik hier terwijl ik dit schrijf op de achtergrond de tv waarop o.a. Verdonk en een aantal andere figuren mij willen vertellen wat "respect" is, en hoe je dat moet "doen". Wij hebben ook onze Ayatollahs blijkbaar, genaamd "politici" en "ambtenaren".
[8] Let me remind you what Kierkegaard once said: "Freedom of speech and freedom of action are meaningless without freedom to think. And there is no freedom of thought without doubt". I.e. No freedom of speech without freedom of thought.
Thus in other words, how much does the author no about the Islam? The post here is outrageously biased in its selection of truth and obviously has a message of hate. Where does this lead us? To people like you saying, I quote:
"Perhaps you, Social Drama, want censorship but most of us, especially libertarians, don’t".
Don’t tell me to shut up as it is in conflict what you call the libertarian tradition. What kind of tradition is that anyway as there are no frontiers between promoting propagandic hate among each other and common misunderstandings of each other. Moreover, how do you define "freedom of speech" (is that not the freedom of choice in your libertarian philosophy, maybe we should start respecting each other’s choice)? What good is it gonna bring when it hurts people (no, I am not Muslim, I am Jewish) and evolves in cultural clashes?
[6] your name says it all. Moreover, I think you are wrong in choosing the libertinian philsopy. As the latter presumes total "freedom of choice" (including religion), anyways that is how your tradition describes it.
Fighting this tradition is thus in contrast to your own values. Embrace the difference then and let freedom rejoice. ROFL.
Cheers,
S.D.
Ps. No I am not Muslim
[13] Hi Social Drama,
Just a quick remark: we are libertarians, classical liberals, laissez-faire proponents – NOT libertines (well, some in their own house, maybe).
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[11] Bij mijn weten (ik las ergens een artikel) zijn zeer veel van de mullahs en andere Iranese gezagsdragers betrokken in prostitutie -tijdelijk huwelijk is een eufemise en een dekmantel om prostitutie mogelijk te maken- en vrouwenhandel. Lastpakken kun je voor ‘overspel’ laten stenigen, mooi beroep: mullah. Als veel andere raszuivere reli’s hanteert men ook daar de dubbele moraal al naar gelang het persoonlijk belang er mee gediend is. Die lui schijnen ook allemaal multimiljonair te zijn, dankzij diefstal en afpersing via de staat. Zal ook wel met een eufemisme een mooie legale status hebben gekregen. Net als de belastingdienst en de bonnenschrijvers in Nederland.
Masturberen mocht volgens Ayn Rand toch ook niet? Dat is namelijk niet rrrrrrrrrrationeel en in strijd met het natuurrecht.
[16] Interessant.
Hoezo in strijd met natuurRECHT? Dat wist ik nog niet! Waar staat de verklaring daarvoor?
[14] believe me, I am aware of the difference :). I just dont know whether one is possible without the other….
Cheers,
S.D.
Ps. I cant check wikipedia anyway, I live in China (no Wikipedia there).
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PRC, RC, Hong Kong, Macao, Shanghai Freezone, … ?
Wel ff opmerken dat de ayatollah Khamenei een autoriteit is onder de shiïeten en meer bepaald de 12de-imam groep onder de shiïeten.
Net zo min als dat katholieken of protestanten zich noodzakelijk gebonden weten aan de voorschriften van de patriarch der Russisch-orthodoxe kerk erkennen de meeste Islamieten de ayatollah Khamenei als
geestelijke autoriteit.
Groetz,
Cincinnatus
Groetz,
Cincinnatus
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Maverick,
Klopt, dat heb ik ook in een documentaire gezien over Iraanse prostituées. Al prefereer ik dan toch die tijdelijke huwelijksmogelijkheid van de Sji’ieten boven het "eeuwige" huwelijk (behalve als de man 3x zegt te scheiden) van de Soennieten. Al blijft het dan kiezen tussen twee soorten waanzin. Iran heeft inderdaad veel steenrijke hypocriete mullahs\machthebbers, net als in ieder politiek systeem dat bepaalde groepen bevoorrecht of de vrijheid van ieder mens beperkt via bureaucraten. Ook een grote hoeveelheid drugsverslaafden. Maar wie zou er niet aan de opium gaan in een land waar de meerderheid van de bevolking onder de 25 is en dat bestuurd wordt door gestoorde, hypocriete, vieze, hoerenlopende, oude mannetjes, waar alles wat het leven veraangenaamd "zondig" en verboden is.
[12]
Social Drama,
That libertarians are in favor of personal freedom and choice, does not mean all of them tolerate people that do not give others the same courtesy.
I would agree that some people on this forum spend a disproportionate amount of energy arguing against the (unmistakably unfree) dogmas of fundamentalist Islam as it is written in the Quran or Hadith, when there are so many other people that think they can dictate humanity how to live and think (and do so), but tolerance for the intolerant is not the (only) logical outcome of a libertarian worldview.
Personally, I would tolerate anyone that does not try to physically impose his ideology on me, even though they preach intolerance and oppression. But I do that mainly for reasons of practicality and proportionality. Otherwise I would waste my time making enemies out of 99% of humanity, chasing after people that are not (yet) a priority when it comes to defending freedom. And after all, what would a proportionate and fitting punishment for "promoting" intolerance be? And how could we have a debate about what freedom should be, if we have no freedom to discuss it?
And who is the main culprit of "propagandising hatred" here? Maybe Albert Spits is a bit monomanic when it comes to Islam, but it is the written tenets of that religion that evoke his opposition to it, not the other way around. I’m not saying all muslims take that fundamentalist literal interpretation of the Quran and Hadith seriously, in fact I highly doubt that, since most Christian and Jews don’t take a literal approach to their religions (thank God), but those that do take it literally are causing the "cultural clash" between freedom-loving people and those that only demand freedom and tolerance for themselves so they can destroy the freedom of others.
Make no mistake, I do not wish to tolerate anyone that tries to force me to live and think a certain way. Whether they call themselves Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Socialists, Nationalists, or whatever. But I would like to focus on the people that pose a real direct physical threat first, and not waste my time fighting enemies like Islam. Which is mostly a theoretical threat in this country, on a macro-level, and will likely remain so. If I lived in Iran however, I would certainly know that the primary enemy to my freedom is (Shi’ite) Islam.
[12] Moreover, how do you define "freedom of speech" (is that not the freedom of choice in your libertarian philosophy, maybe we should start respecting each other’s choice)? What good is it gonna bring when it hurts people (no, I am not Muslim, I am Jewish) and evolves in cultural clashes?
Nothing and no-one is above criticism, always remember that. Also the fact that criticism can hurt. You call this "hate propaganda", but there’s no hate propaganda in telling the facts as they stand. We are under assault from a radical and totalitarian ideology as we were in the 1930s, you being jewish especially should understand that quite clearly. I have studied quite clearly the tenets of the traditional islam and its offshoot islamism. I would invite everyone to do the same, for it gives a perfect answer to the challenges facing us. Therefore, freedom of expression is essential, even though some people would call me onesided in my views. The fact is I have reason to oppose totalitarian doctrines, for these are ultimately dangerous to us. There is a tendency, and I find you among them, to whitewash. Naturally, that is your prerogative, but alternatively, it’s my prerogative and that of others to state what we think presents us with dire problems. There always will be cultural clashes, but should we respect an ideology that will bring us back into the dark ages. Believe me, I have been to the Middle-East and North Africa and have seen the squalor and suppression with my own eyes, because all muslim states are police states. No freedom of expression, no freedom of religion, no freedom even of movement can we encounter there. Think about it, should we respect that? Because that is what you are implying.
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"Nothing and no-one is above criticism, always remember that".
Dont try to teach me or tell me anything. I feel personally attacked, although after reading your comments I most certainly know that I am better educated and informed than you are.
"I have studied quite clearly the tenets of the traditional Islam and its offshoot. I would invite everyone to do the same, for it gives a perfect answer to the challenges facing us".
I lived in Syria and Jordan and know those countries better than you do. In fact I can say that people like you are not able to rationalise and act from the perspective of – self-other relations. As I recommended before, please start reading some post- modernism. If not you will keep on circulating that annoying and ridiculed theory of the "clash of civilisation" (Huntington’s). Moreover, your stubborn and stagnant notion of truth will hinder us form ever enjoying a proper discussion. Think about it, are you alone in the world? Do you have the final and complete answer to everything what is right. Your outrageous and biased Eurocentric view is a complete disgrace to what freedom is and stands for! Start reading, please.
"e are under assault from a radical and totalitarian ideology as we were in the 1930s, you being Jewish especially should understand that quite clearly".
The only thing that I understand is that you are dangerous to freedom. Dangerous to my cultural freedom, my ideological freedom and even my future freedom.
"The fact is I have reason to oppose totalitarian doctrines, for these are ultimately dangerous to us".
Who is "us" for Christ sake!? Does your civilisation not from the Middle East (ever heard of Babylonia or Assyria!?!?). I definitely do not want to be part of your definition of us!.
"There always will be cultural clashes, but should we respect an ideology that will bring us back into the dark ages."
With that kind of philosophy we will definitely return to what you define as "cultural clashes" or "dark ages". Kinda self-fulfilling don’t you think?
"I have been to the Middle-East and North Africa and have seen the squalor and suppression with my own eyes, because all Muslim states are police states".
I will never believe you, just because you went on vacation (probably business trips) there! What do you think they think about "us"?!?! Do you know what the Chinese keep on telling me? That they are soooo surprised that I am not so ultra- materialistic/ individualistic as the other Westerners they met…. Do you know what the Arabs said in Iran? "Why was there, after the American invasion in Iraq, first a petition for market rule in Iraq and THEN a constitutional amendment?". I can go on, "Why was there an American- sponsored coup d’etat in Chile/ Venezuela". Again read Negri and Hard for your NEW imperialism (Harvey).
"We" versus "them", that is your line of thinking. Self- Otherness. As long as there is such a dichotomy there will never be mutual understanding, freedom or peace. Do you want that? Because that is what you are implying!
[19] Jiangsu
[16] lol
[22] Good comment (better than Albert s’). Although I do not agree with some of your points, I can see what you mean and respect that as rational thinking.
However, one main criticism.
You said" "Which is mostly a theoretical threat in this country, on a macro-level, and will likely remain so. If I lived in Iran however, I would certainly know that the primary enemy to my freedom is (Shi’ite) Islam".
Who is the enemy? I am certain that some people in Syria may think different than some people in Holland. Some Palestinians may think different than some Israeli’s. My point is that there is no enemy, there is just interpretation. There is no truth, there are thousands of truths. We need to listen and discuss every one of them (all of us) and respect the deriving differences. I believe in "harmony with differences" (and I hate being called a leftish for that). But, I think that is the only way forward to listen and discuss and respect the outcome. Maybe not understand the other, but respect what sometimes cannot be understood.
Now, there may be consequences (some positive, some negative) to such an attitude. But we have to learn that we do not all come from one Adam and Eve.
Cheers and enjoy your weekend!
[24] First of all, you do not seem to understand the situation at all. Not only have I been there, but I studied the history and sources of islam. I have been to various countries for business, but also have I lived in Tunisia for two years. All the facts were related to me by former muslims, which was my inspiration at that stage to learn more about the creed. You are talking of Assyria and the Middle East as being my culture, which it is not. The first civilization was in Mesoptamia, but that culture, together with all other cultures in the area, be it Persian, Assyrian, Jewish, Kurdish, Armenian, Coptic and Berber were extinguished by muslim Arab imperialism.
I feel you are evading the actual issues, for let’s discuss the history of Arab muslim conquest. If you have read my articles and my sources and the extensive number of books on the subject, and I do not mean Samuel Huntington, although he basically is on the right track, but other islamologists, both occidental and oriental, then there is a basis for discussion. You say that I am the one who knows at all and accuse me of a Eurocentric attitude. Of course, the European civilization has been at forefront of developments in the last 500 years. This is what is called progression. If you find that ‘outrageous’ then that’s your problem. I think it is a historically proven fact. You see me as a materialistic and and individualistic person, of course I like my family and I to be materially well off, so does nearly everyone. As a classical liberal I put the individual rights and freedoms on the top of my list. I do not want any collectivist ideology telling me what to do.
You mentioned that first of all Iraq was petitioned to have a free market, naturally the only way to get the economy moving is to establish an uninhibited market. Every normal economist worth his salt will tell you that. Then you change the subject on the Americans having anything to do with a coup d’etat in Venezuela and Chile. If that’s true then they should be condemned for that, but I have not found any conclusive evidence for that.
Finally, the countries you mention such as Syria and Jordan are also police states. Syria particularly being very nasty as far as their treatment of the local Kurds are concerned, so you must admit, I rather live in the west, where there is the rule of law and a great measure of individual freedom, albeit diminishing unfortunately.
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Social Drama,
I’m all for rational discussion and to discuss every possible subject, without taboos, but I think you overdosed a little on relativism here.
I can live with a person that wants to subject him or herself to the most bizarre religious dogma, or the most painful way of life. However, when a culture or ideology tries to kill people that have sex outside of marriage, hangs 16 year-old girls and gays for "immoral" behaviour, forces women and men to wear certain clothes, and advocates the destruction of all those who think differently, which would include tolerant you and me, I think we go too far in our respect for "differences". Because they don’t respect ours either.
There are certain truths. Especially if you believe there are many truths, there must be one over-arching truth: That you allow others to live and believe as they wish. I would bet you do not like to be hanged or otherwise murdered. You would not enjoy being told how to live your life, let alone in minute detail. No human being that has any individuality or self-respect likes to be coerced. And certainly not for reasons that are complety irrational, based on delusions that have absolutely no basis in reality, or are so hyperrationalised you could make anything into a "crime". If there are so many truths, and so many different ways of living, I’m all for it. But there cannot be a myriad of choices, truths and ways, if you are living under a system that destroys you the second you deviate a millimeter from its arbitrary norms. Therefore, even though most muslims do not use force to impose their beliefs, a regime like the Islamic Republic of Iran IS an enemy of freedom and humanity. And it’s not the only one.
Islam is het laatste godsdienst die er mag bestaan. Na Jesus Christus, in het jaar 332 in het stad wat Ãznik heet in tegenwoordige Turkije, zijn kardinalen bijeengekomen om de echte Bijbel te veranderen in wat hun uitkwam. Zo werden er veel dingen geschapt en/of veranderd. De Ãslam ziet dus de oude Christendom wat niet veranderd was, en wat Jesus Christus nog had geschreven ook als de Ãslam, of op z’n minst een begin van de Ãslam.
Velen zullen denken dat de Ãslam slecht is, nee nee. Ãslam is het meest zuivere godsdienst die er mag bestaan. Een godsdienst wat met liefde en rijkdom zit. Een godsdienst waar de waarheid recht in je gezicht uitkomt: de dood. We gaan allemaal dood en we moeten leren van onze voorgangers. Zo vervang ik de plaats van mn vader en mn zoon weer die van mij.
Volgens de Koran is het ook zo dat ALLEEN de moslims de plaats krijgen in de hemel. En omdat de rest het bestaan van de Ãslam wel weten maar niet in geloven worden gezien als niet serieuze mensen en als huigelaars.
Ik ben zelf Turks en in zekere geval een moslim. Ik ben wel modern en ik hou niet van extremelingen (zowel moslim als anders gelovend). Ik ben ook VERPLICHT om mn andere godsdienstige broeders en zusters te respecteren als zij anders geloven. In de Ottomaanse Emperium was het ook verplicht om Joden en Christenen hetzelfde te behandelen als moslims. Wel wijs ik ieder niet-moslim dat hij of zij eens de Nederlands talige Koran ook eens mag lezen. Het betekend ook niet dat je dan gelijk moslim moet worden. Ik heb zelf ook eens de Bijbel gelezen maar alles wat er in de Bijbel staat staat grotendeeld ook in de Koran, maar andersom niet. Als je de Bijbel vergelijkt met de Koran dan is de Bijbel qua inhoud ook minder omdat wij 4 grote boeken (Tora, Veda, Bijbel en Koran) bijelkaar hebben en de Christelijke Bijbel maar 3 (Tora, Veda en de Bijbel). Wat wel identiek is is dat wij God hetzelfde zien dat God machtig is en met liefde naar de mens kijkt. Wat de Koran dwars zit is dat Jesus Christus de ‘zoon’ is van de Almachtige. Wij kunnen het niet geloven dat Jesus de zoon is van God. Een mens kan geen zoon zijn van een Almachtige. Dat wil zeggen (volgens de Koran) dat Jesus later groot gaat worden en dan 2 Goden gaan ontstaan. Zullen God1 en God2 dan samen moeten beslissen dan over de mensheid? En Mohammed dan? Hier spitsen wij (moslims en christenen) en gaan wij appart verder.
Nee, wij moslims zien Jesus Christus (Ãsa) als een heilige, Mohammed hetzelfde en trouwens Mozes(Musa) en Abraham(Ãbrahim) ook als de 4 grote heiligen. Allemaal profeten en een ware boodschap brengers van God, Allah.
Ook kent het Christendom niet dat als je een grote misdaad hebt gepleegt (doden of verkrachting) dat je gestraft zult worden in het hiernamaals. Dus, Osama Bin Laden gaat de laatste dagen Christelijk worden voordat hij sterft en komt in de hemel? Mohammed B. idem? Krijgt hij dus de 7 maagden? Dan hebben de leden van de Hofstadgroep toch gelijk. Alleen bij een antwoord met een ‘ja’ dan is het Christendom en de tereurnetwerk Hofstadgroep wel identiek met elkaar. Is dit waar? Hoe kan dit waar zijn? Waarom ontkent de Ãslam dan de alle vormen van geweld eigenlijk? Waarom zijn de dames heiliger dan de mannen dan? Waarom mogen de moslims niet ongezonde dingen doen? Ik bedoel drugs, alcohol, etc..
Maarja we kunnen een groot debat voeren over hoe en wat maar we komen er nooit uit, wel komen we dichter bijelkaar met onze uitlatingen.
Ik houd het even hierbij, anders kan ik lang typen.
Ik ben zelf geen extremist, ik ben een normale moslim die zo goed mogelijk wil zijn en met andere godsdienstige broeders en zusters samen leven op aarde. Ik ben niet van een sekte ofsow want M. Kemal Ataturk had dat veboden. Ik ben dus een Kemalist en ik hou van een moderne samenleving. Bij mij is kerk en staat gescheiden, je gelooft voor jezelf en niet voor een ander.
Verder nog een opmerking over de moskeeën in ons land: Als een moskee vol is en je moet terug naar huis omdat er geen plaats meer is, dan bouwen wij een nieuw moskee bij. Dat er zo 460+ moskeeën zijn is geen dreigement voor Nederland. Want zoveel kerken staan ook in Turkije en de Arabische landen. Respecteer gewoon en accepteer het want er wonen hier moslims. Respecteer en vindt zelf ook respect.
Groetjes,
Soner
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