De Islam is een streng geloof

De hoogste Iranese politieke en kerkelijke leider Khameini heeft op zijn website vragen beantwoord over wat wel en niet mag gedurende de ramadan.


Om een idee te geven hoe ver de islam af staat van veel westerse gewoontes, hierbij een (onvertaald) artikel geplukt van Drudge Report. Het doet overigens denken aan de situatie van de katholieke kerk in Nederland 80 tot 100 jaar geleden.

Khameini: Don’t masturbate during Ramadan
Iran’s supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and other topics on his website Yaakov Lappin Published: 10.04.06, 19:55

Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled.
Khameini, who is Iran’s most powerful political and religious figure, was asked on his website : “If somebody masturbates during the month of Ramadan but without any discharge, is his fasting invalidated?”

“If he do not intend masturbation and discharging semen and nothing is discharged, his fasting is correct even though he has done a ḥarām (forbidden) act. But, if he intends masturbation or he knows that he usually discharges semen by this process and semen really comes out, it is a ḥaram intentional breaking fasting,” the Iranian leader said, posting the reply on his website.

Another reader asked: “Once in the holy month of Ramadan, I forgot to brush my teeth, and some tiny bits of food remained in my mouth. I swallowed the bits unintentionally. Do I have to perform the qaḍa (repent) for that day’s fast?”

“If you did not know that some bits of food remained between the teeth, or you did not know that they would reach the throat, and they were swallowed unknowingly and unintentionally, then you are not liable to make (repent) of the fast,” said Khameini.

‘Drink water while standing’
On the website, Khameini also tells Iranians that only jockeys are permitted to gamble on horse races.

He is also asked whether it is permissible for a man to marry a woman only in order to be able to live in his wife’s country. “Can a man conclude a marriage contract for a year with a European girl after getting her agreement with the purpose of going to her country?” A reader asked.
“There is no problem in that if they are serious in contracting marriage and it is done with her father’s permission if she is virgin,” Khameini ruled.

The Iranian leader also told readers they were allowed to “to drink water while standing” at nights. It was “not permissible” to take part in meetings attended by both men and women, he told another reader.

“In Islam’s view, rulers and governments exist just to serve people and carry out works in the interest of the public and this is what God demands us, as authorities, to fulfill,” Khamenei was quoted Tuesday telling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

62 REACTIES

  1. [28] thank you for this much more elaborative and rationalized argument. I very much appreciate the fact that we are on the right track of what seems to be a proper discussion here.

    The discussion we positioned ourselves in, is in many aspects a debate that has been going on throughout the late 1990s. I agree with you that Huntington’s case (both his article in 1993 and his book in 1996) made an important contribution to a heated debate between realists and post- modernists.

    Although, we probably will not come to a common agreement on what many have called the "Islamic Threat", I would like to correct you on some major points.

    The centrality of Eurocentricism did not prevail until the British industrialization started in 1795 (or around). The orient was much more developed in both the economic and political sense than the occident was. Frank (1998) and Hobswan provided important first stimuli, which effectively undermined (especially leftish) thoughts on the uniqueness of Europe (i.e. the European birth of capitalism in the 15th century). As a result many respected economic historians (eg. Wallerstein and Arreghi) were forced to accept the fact that Eurocentric hegemony was evidently established in a very late era (i.e. in the 19th century…).

    Allows me to come to the second point: "Because they don’t respect ours either"
    Actually this is a reversal of what has been set 100 times before "it is them versus us", "they are wrong and we are right". Both do not want comprise, both do not want to realize that this stalemate is in fact the problem as there is no such thing as one absolute truth. "wanneer er twee fechten, hebben er twee schuld (sorry is probably not proper Dutch, but I think you get the picture)."

    Another, third, point: "You see me as a materialistic and and individualistic person, of course I like my family and I to be materially well off, so does nearly everyone."

    You mentioned to be a proud "liberal", I imagine that counts for both the political and economic realm. However, how can you then possibly claim that it is more important to have first an economic neo-liberal constitution instead of a legal constitution (based on the rule of law) in Iraq??

    You continue and argue that "naturally the only way to get the economy moving is to establish an uninhibited market. Every normal economist worth his salt will tell you that". Now, I would like to know how you define a "normal economist", as no country on earth has developed itself with free economic borders or without state intervention (please check the recent experiences of the Chaebol in Korea or the state-led Zaibatsus in Japan, not even mentioning the trade barriers of ALL Western countries in the 19th and 20th centuries).

    Another point, which I am most certain you did not understand fully. The Allende government (democratically elected) was effectively overthrown by the US, and allow me to quote Kissinger (who I personally admire for his superb diplomacy) personally on this matter:
    "I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people."

    Enough evidence? Well, I guess everybody knows the story of the failed coup d’etat on Hugo Chávez (who I think is a complete monkey), so lets leave that out.

    Please allow myself to pose you a single question, is it reasonable, no is it in the liberal tradition, to overthrow rightfully elected governments for the sake of self- enrichment of a very small (but extremely powerful) segment of the world population?

    Another point and actually you are right on this part: " Syria particularly being very nasty as far as their treatment of the local Kurds are concerned, so you must admit, I rather live in the west, where there is the rule of law and a great measure of individual freedom, albeit diminishing unfortunately." Yes YOU (not the people in Syria, Jordan or Iran) are happy to live in what you define as liberal freedom. Other people most certainly have another definition of freedom (as do the Chinese, who don’t consider us as free as they are) and you can’t enforce them to follow your version. Difference is beautiful, respecting that difference is unique.

    Cheers

  2. [31]
    Interessante. Non ho mai visto un paese con costi tanti contandini. O scusi, non sapevo che si trattasse della famiglia reale.

    Wat een gelul.

  3. [29] Thank you for you comment. Please allow me to respond.

    "However, when a culture or ideology tries to kill people that have sex outside of marriage, hangs 16 year-old girls and gays for "immoral" behavior, forces women and men to wear certain clothes, and advocates the destruction of all those who think differently, which would include tolerant you and me, I think we go too far in our respect for "differences". Because they don’t respect ours either."

    I think you make the error of confusing a culture with a territorial and violent regime. The Persian culture dates back to the days that Dutch was still considered to be a Low-Frankish language. The terrors that you speak of do definitely not belong to the Iranian culture. However, what we witness in Iran is a weak institutionalized framework of dictatorial rule (please understand that I do not necessarily disagree with the latter political system IF correctly put in place). However, we can’t enforce/ export our values and norms to countries which are on the verge of social instability. In fact, we should not export our free-market models, just because the theory of over-accumulation tells us so. However, that is perhaps where the problem lies. Our capitalist system is based on growth and expansion. The only way of surviving and maintaining our level of consumption (i.e. also can be described as the danger of declining profits) is through expansion of markets or commodification of nearly everything (not territorial anymore, but could be centered on aspects such as culture, emotions, nature and even God). It is thus not a simple matter of "them versus us" (which sound so ugly and stupid, but is in fact the popular result/ outcome of the nature of our economic apparatus), but de facto the probem is embedded in our system.

    You tell me that "You would not enjoy being told how to live your life, let alone in minute detail." But I am!!! Every day through an ever- increasing media coverage, I see beautiful people consuming products, which according to them I need to be considered of value for my society! I am indoctrinated to be selfish and not take care of my fellow- man, to be rich over the backs of others, to buy a garden because I destroyed the forrest etc, etc. Now, I ask you which side is bad and which side is worst? Or… do we just live in a mechanical capitalistic control system, which is self- destructive, which misses any notion of immanence? Where is God, what happened to him in our late- humanist period? Will Spinoza stand up once again and be able to break us loose from these terrible chains of transcendency? I hope so, because we are living in Dante’s hell (6th circle).

    Salut

    S.D>

  4. [32] next time try "contadini" instead of "contandini". I am sorry that you have so little to say, as there must be more in that brain of yours.

    S.D.

  5. [33]
    Social Drama,

    The reason I call it a culture is because the violent regime uses certain values and ideas already current in that society to impose its cruelty on the people it controls. You could not have the "Islamic" Republic of Iran, including it’s laws, punishments and moral police, without the cultural medium on which it grows: The fundamentalist form of Sji’ite Islam. At least the version that has been elevated to State Ideology, DOES demand the oppression, execution and torture of certain groups.

    By the way, the Persian culture dates back to long before the Franconians, or Germanic pre-Dutch groups, except maybe the Frisians, even existed in these parts. But the Persian culture, with its Zoroastrian religion and legendary tolerant attitude towards the cultures and religions it conquered (in fact you as a Jew would probably not exist if not for Sjah Cyrus the Great), was largely destroyed and replaced, or at best synthesized into the new Islamic, Sji’ite Iranian culture which is quite different. However this is all besides the point.

    Any religion or ideology can be perverted into something evil and used against people. Though there are certain ideologies and cultures that are more easily used for that. A religion or political ideology that expressly forbids violence and oppression, like Buddhism or classical Liberalism, is not as easily subverted as Islam, Christianity, Socialism, etcetera, are.

    I do not advocate using violence to remove the oppressive regimes of the world. But if it could be done without innocent lives being lost, without political machinations to gain power over other nations or people, or if even a small minority of Iranians (if necessary a part of the army) decides to revolt and overthrow it’s dictatorship and replace it with freedom and capitalism, I’m all for it.

    I don’t see how our capitalist system is necessarily based on growth and expansion. It is perfectly possible that we reach some ceiling after which we stay at a certain level of wealth. And if there is no ceiling, I see no problem with becoming ever wealthier. I see no reason why you should "commodify" anything. It is up to you if you listen to commercials and have yourself deluded into thinking you need the latest gadget to be happy. If you do feel happy buying it, all the better. If you don’t feel happy buying things, nobody is forcing you. You can go live life as an ascetic hermit. At least in a free society. And that is the crucial difference. Nobody in Iran is going to tell you in a commercial that you need to live a certain way, or that you "should" be executed. They will do it to you, whether you choose to or not.

    Capitalism may not be to your liking, but it is the absolutely essential basis for freedom from coercion. There can be no rule of law, no freedom and no choice without (at least a modicum of) it. And by "capitalism" I mean: You own yourself and the fruits of your labour and can do with them what you wish. Nobody can force you to do anything, except through voluntary agreement. Of course, even capitalism doesn’t magically do away with reality. You still need to survive and work for a living, or take the risk of investing the money you made through work (or that someone else has voluntarily given to you). But this is true of any system: Either you work for at least your own necessities, or you live of someone elses labour. At least under capitalism you need to give that other person something in return (or vice versa). And nobody can force you to work for them. If you choose to work more than the 1 hour a day that is basically neccessary to get enough money to feed yourself, and choose to buy all the luxuries that others say you "should" have, that is your choice. In "alternative" systems, if there really were an alternative to capitalism, you will need to work a lot harder and longer just to get the basics. And the people in power will not try to persuade you to do anything, because your obedience is expected.

    Let me re-iterate: I don’t care about Islam or any other ideology, as long as people choose to follow it out of free will, and don’t try to impose it.

  6. [34]
    Ach, zolang mijn italiaans beter is dan jouw nederlands, dan zal wel zo zijn.

    Mettitelo nel culo, sparisci inetto imbecille.

  7. [35] thank you for your comment Owl. – Very much appreciated –

    I would like to respond to you last comment. However the strange and insulting responses from fellow- posters on this blog (I refer to especially
    "anti pasta" and in another reaction "APC") do no seem welcoming. Freedom is as you can observe yourself, limited to the few with the biggest mouths.

    I thank you for your insightful history lesson and wonderful reactions. It is helped me to respect your stand.

    All the best and much more,

    S.D.

  8. [36] I am sorry that my Dutch is not as good as it should be after having spend 6 months in your beautiful country.

    However, please allow me to stress that your sentence below was not correct.

    "Ach, zolang mijn italiaans beter is dan jouw nederlands, dan zal wel zo zijn."

    What does "dan zal wel zo zijn" mean? I suggest to rephrase that into: "dat zal dan wel zo zijn".

    I always found the Dutch a welcoming people. I do not undertstand why I deserve your insults. As the title of this website is "vrijspreker".

    Ik wens u veel succes met uw leven en hoop u eens te mogen tegenkomen om mijn dikke Kalashnikoff op u te kleine hoofd te mogen zetten. Ook verzoek ik u om uw grote mond te houden en simpelweg uw kleine piemel te respecteren.

    Bovendien is het niet "imbecille" maar imbecile."

    Bacio,

    S.D.

  9. [38]
    "Ik wens u veel succes met uw leven en hoop u eens te mogen tegenkomen om mijn dikke Kalashnikoff op u te kleine hoofd te mogen zetten. Ook verzoek ik u om uw grote mond te houden en simpelweg uw kleine piemel te respecteren."

    Juist ja, wederom een collectivist.

    Have fun in Irak, Afganistan ore what ever you like.
    Je bent (met of zonder (dutch) dope) welkom met jouw AK 47.

    Fuck off and die fascisisten.

    Doe het lijk Mossolini de groeten van mij, of jouw Cosa Nostra…….

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